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Nancy Campbell Oral History 2020/05/22

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Title (Dublin Core)

Nancy Campbell Oral History 2020/05/22

Description (Dublin Core)

University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Public History Seminar Covid 19 Project

interviewer (Bibliographic Ontology)

Karen Kilby

Identifier (Dublin Core)

University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

interviewee (Bibliographic Ontology)

Nancy Campbell

Location (Omeka Classic)

20736
Owings
United States

Date (Dublin Core)

2020/05/22

Format (Dublin Core)

Video

Language (Dublin Core)

English

Subject (Dublin Core)

English Consumer Culture (shopping, dinning...)
English Economy
English Government Federal
English Home & Family Life
English Health & Wellness
English Social Distance

Tag (Omeka Classic)

elderly
toilet paper
hand sanitizer
susceptible

Transcription (Omeka Classic)

*This transcript was created using Otter.ai and is not considered an official or complete transcript*

Karen Kilby
Okay, I am recording. And this is for the public history seminar COVID-19 project. I'm interviewing Nancy Campbell. It is May 22, 2020, around 1:24pm and I am an Eau Claire, Wisconsin and Nancy, where do you live?

Nancy Campbell
I'm in owings, Maryland.

Karen Kilby
And what is your job?

Nancy Campbell
I still work as a contracts manager for a government contractor. Our customers include NOAA, the Census Bureau, Idaho National Laboratory. And that's it for now.

Karen Kilby
So how has the pandemic and COVID-19 affected your job?

Nancy Campbell
We were lucky because everything is available electronically. So all the employees are still on the job working from their homes. And so in that regard, I only have to go to the office one day a week to pick up mail, print out checks if bills are due, that sort of thing. Which is good because I live 58 miles from the office.

Karen Kilby
And so is there any concerns you have about how the COVID-19 is gonna affect your job?

Nancy Campbell
No, we were able to obtain one of the PPP loans, the protection payroll plan, where we were able to get enough money to cover eight weeks of salary. And so that will definitely help out

Karen Kilby
Let's see here. See Have you or anybody you know have been sick with the COVID-19?

Nancy Campbell
No. We will been isolating.

Karen Kilby
So what have been the biggest challenges you have faced during the outbreak?

Nancy Campbell
I think toilet paper. I found a package last week and it is the first I have seen since January. And I elected not to be a hoarder at that time. It was getting to the point where I wished I had a little bit extra. And a friend found some extra at her supermarket and pick them up for me so I'm not so worried about that anymore. It That's a common problem with it around here anyway. Other than that, keeping my husband safe and keeping me clear of bringing the virus home to him because he has some underlying conditions.

Karen Kilby
What else has been out of the stores besides toilet paper?

Nancy Campbell
Well, I have haven't seen hand sanitizer and for a while you could not find facial tissues. There are no alcohol wipes, no sanitizing wipes that you can that we can find them at the doors in supermarkets but can't find them on the shelves at the supermarkets. And for a while, eggs for a very expensive they went up like $1 a carton of milk was in short supply for a while, but that seems to have evened out.

Karen Kilby
So how has it affected your community the area that you live in?

Nancy Campbell
We have 315 known cases in Calvert county at the moment. Five people have died. We're a rural county. So we don't have a large population center. Everyone is spread out, but our population contains a lot of federal workers. And so they've been staying home schools are closed. And daycare centers are closed, so everyone is home, which is unusual, which I think is one of the reasons why we're short on toilet paper. Because normally people would be at their jobs and not be at home. So far the hospital has not had problems. They've been able to handle the cases that have come in. We don't know how many people are not reporting. If a person has a mild case they don't go to the hospital. There have been no public testing sites. One could go without having a doctor's basically prescription to go get tested. So we only know about the ones who had been in the hospital.

Karen Kilby
And as a senior citizen, how does that affect how you react to the COVID-19 since senior citizens are more susceptible to the virus?

Nancy Campbell
Well, my we're going to the organization that sponsors the craft shows that I take part in was prohibited from me Maryland just under a stay at home order, we have just now this week are authorized to go to a few places that are open. And those are mainly the supermarkets obviously, but some specialty stores have opened. So there really hasn't been that many places to go. The craft show sent out a notice a couple of days ago saying that the the town that it's in, has given them permission to have the first show on the 30th of May. It should have been the 16th of may and there should have been one in April that they had to be cancelled. So that affected me. Other than that, because it is a rural community and we live out in the country. I could work outside and not be under the kinds of restrictions that people in town Boys and cities are under where they couldn't even go outside. But my biggest concern is just been not bringing it home to dogs. So I've been going out one day a week, just save up all the errands that have to be done and do them on a single day. I've got hand sanitizer in the car, if it's available at the door of the grocery store or the post office. I use that when I go in and I grab one on the way out most I use the hand sanitizer that's in the car, which I read today you're not supposed to leave in the car during high temperatures because it tends to explode. And I didn't know that but I guess it's alcohol. And beyond that, just trying to be very, very careful and learn as much as possible. Like I had questions for a while about was the male see when they were talking about how long The virus could survive on various surfaces. I don't know who the the mail carrier is on any given day. I don't know if that person's wearing gloves but even if they were wearing gloves, were those gloves. Bam. What are they touched? So all of those things just made us super cautious. God has not been out in public since January, just to give him first line protection.

Karen Kilby
And to clarify, Don as your husband,

Nancy Campbell
yes, he is just turned 82 so he's even older in that regard more susceptible alive.

Karen Kilby
And how has he been taking the quarantine

Nancy Campbell
doesn't bother him a bit. He sits in front of his computer writing and barely notice Is the virus going on? except he's very careful. I say do you want to go out? Are you getting cabin fever? No, I'm fine right here. And so he lets me go do the running of the errands.

Karen Kilby
How do you think that the


the pandemic is going to affect become economy? What concerns do you have about that?

Nancy Campbell
Yeah, totally. Just because or, as of this morning, the national statistics for unemployed was 25%, which means a quarter of the people are out of business. Some of them are out of business permanently, just because the small mom and pop businesses don't have the capital to continue to stay in business and overall, I think the big companies are going to do okay. Particularly with government loans. And it's going to be a long while to come back. It took over eight years to recover from the housing crash back in 2008. And so I suspect it's going to be at least five years if not longer, to get back just to where we were when the virus showed up. Because because it's a world crisis, it's affected every country's markets and getting the supply chain moving again is going to take the time. didn't do much for the retirement portfolio either. Every time the stock market crashed, everybody's 401k plan took a hit and dropped in value. Economists keep saying it'll come back but it took a long time for it to come back after that. housing bust.

Karen Kilby
Have you seen any like for sale signs pop up around the community for restaurants or businesses? We've seen that in Eau Claire here.

Nancy Campbell
Not for sale because they've rented buildings. It's so far most other restaurants around here, I do curbside pickup. Or you could go in to some of the fast food restaurants. You couldn't eat there, but you could take things out. So no, I haven't seen for sale on restaurant. Okay.

Karen Kilby
How do you think that COVID-19 will affect society as a whole mentally?

Nancy Campbell
Well, for those people who are out of work and who don't have great prospects of being called back, I suspect it's It's going to be very damaging mentally. I've been watching interviews on the evening news where single mothers, for instance, with children to feed, have no clue as to where they're going to get their next paycheck from. They interviewed a man last night who showed the bank has bank statement it had 69 cents in it. And so this mental state but what the status is not great. I think there's going to be a lot more depression, a lot more anxiety certainly. I think people are going to be very short tempered with one another day it was getting to the point where the joke around here was sales at gun stores were up because the availability of toilet paper was down and they were protecting the stash that they already had. That's just people trying to keep their humor intact. But I don't think it's going to be very good for everyone's mental status.

Karen Kilby
So how is your experience with a pandemic transformed how you think about your family and friends in the community?

Nancy Campbell
Not all that much because we've always lived cautiously. And so far it was it was not an issue of being separated from just because our family is very widespread. JOHN and Lisa, for instance, are 74 miles away. We haven't seen them since Christmas, but we talk on the phone. I have a friend here that is also been isolating and so because she lives alone and Don and I live alone, we interact carefully, but we still see each other We just don't go out shopping together, like we used to.

Karen Kilby
Knowing what you know now, what do you think that individuals, communities or governments need to keep in mind for the future? If this happens again,

Nancy Campbell
I have to stop attempting that these sorts of things aren't going to happen again. Dr. Fauci has been saying for years that a pandemic was inevitable, and he was right. He never profess to know exactly when it was going to happen. But it's inevitable when you're dealing with science to know that things come in cycles. I think our leaders need to stop fighting wars and spending all the money on military gear and put a little bit more money into the warehousing of supplies. So that there are vailable I really fearful that they're not going to pay attention and somewhere down the line as it's going to happen all over again because they don't believe it's going to happen again. And individuals, we need to believe in science and what science tells us and not what's politically correct.

Karen Kilby
Okay, that's all the questions I have. Would you'd like to add anything?

Nancy Campbell
No, but I think this is a great project. It's interviews like this, that maybe just maybe someone will be able to pick up information from and use in terms of watching out for future trends and make more toilet paper.

Karen Kilby
Okay, thank you so much.

Nancy Campbell
You're welcome.

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