Galvin Bisserup, Photographer, and the Father's Day Men's Chorus Project

Galvin Bisserup, Oral History, 2020/10/15

"Galvin P. Bisserup, Jr. is the owner and principal portrait photographer of Glickman Studio Photographers which has been in Freeport, NY for 98 years. Over the years he has captured the many eventful moments of individual lives, from infancy through seasoned adulthood. For over three decades this professional photographer has been behind the camera capturing the smiles from the heart and soul.
In this interview, Galvin recounts his career and how his work as a community photographer has been impacted by COVID. He also describes a project from this past spring which resulted in the creation of a music CD in celebration of Father’s Day with his men’s chorus.
This interview was recorded by Juilee Decker and Joysetta Pearse with Galvin Bisserup on October 15, 2020 at 6 pm ET and lasted approximately 40 minutes. It was conducted over Zoom. A transcript is attached, along with multiple images associated with the interview, provided by Bisserup. It is part of the LongIslandCommunity series, an initiative of COVID-19 archive (Juilee Decker) and the African American Museum of Nassau County (Joysetta Pearse)."

October 15, 2020

Juilee Decker

Joysetta Pearse

Galvin Bissserup

Juilee Decker

LongIslandCommunity

African American Museum of Nassau County

oral history

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English Labor

English Music

English Art & Design

English Education--K12

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art

photography

Father's Day

Long Island

New York

Long Island

music

New York

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Black Voices

12/09/2020

12/09/2020

11/12/2023

Juiliee Decker

Galvin Bisserup

Long Island, New York

Interview by Juilee Decker and Joysetta Pearse with Galvin Bisserup Recorded October 15, 2020
6 pm ET, lasting 40 minutes
Conducted over Zoom
Multiple images associated with the interview, provided by Bisserup.


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Joysetta Pearse: Believe Dr. Decker. This is Galvin Bisserup

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Juilee Decker: Oh, goodness.

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Juilee Decker: I needed us going on that one. Gavin.

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Juilee Decker: Spell it spell your name for me.

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1516****841: Think of biscuits and syrup. Be like in boy.

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Joysetta Pearse: I asked you, I just first name Galvin first

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Juilee Decker: Let's say you're up first name is Galvin.

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1516****841: GA LV, got it, got it. Perfect. Oh my goodness.

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Juilee Decker: Okay, so, so tell me who Galvin is and then off to all learn from Galvin

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Joysetta Pearse: He's real profession as

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Joysetta Pearse: You know he's trained to be a photographer. That's

what he really REALLY DOES HE HAD A frequent there, but he developed this beautiful technique where he

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Joysetta Pearse: He talked to you about that, but it's a beautiful thing. But he does with photographs and it's actually

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Joysetta Pearse: Photography as art. That's the way we perceive it, you know, and fabulous. But he's also got so many talents that he was telling me about this program. He made to work for Father's Day during the campaign.

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Juilee Decker: Pandemic, that's why. Oh my goodness, I

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Joysetta Pearse: Didn't hear from him, because to plan a Father's Day celebration. You tell you all about that.

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Juilee Decker: Oh, that's fantastic. So let me ask you to. I said, How do you two know each other like what's the

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Joysetta Pearse: Well, he was in my village Freeport photographer in in the village there okay and and that he took some fabulous pictures of my daughter's oh my

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Joysetta Pearse: Goodness. Every they're up on my wall in my, in my office now. And before you before we close out. I'm going to show you what a beautiful job he did. They were just at their high school reunion or something Galvin, that was a reunion. Right.

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1516****841: 2007

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1516****841: It would

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Joysetta Pearse: Listen, these old ladies were doing. They have what 20th anniversary. Oh.

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Joysetta Pearse: No.

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Juilee Decker: What is that what we're already it. Oh.

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Joysetta Pearse: Yeah yeah

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Juilee Decker: Oh my god.

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Joysetta Pearse: Thousand six it was 30 years

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Juilee Decker: Oh, this is great. Well Galvin Joyce's right so I have a list of questions that I'll ask you, so all there's a six questions. There's really five questions. And then the last one is kind of a catch all. So what I'll do.

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Juilee Decker: Is I'll go ahead and start and I'll ask you the questions and then we'll just kind of proceed through and you can tell me kind of what you've been doing during COVID and tell me about you and and from what joy set of saying about your art and all of that.
Does that sound good.

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1516****841: All right. Okay, perfect.

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Juilee Decker: All right, thank you. So I've got your name and is there any other, we could tell me where you live, you can. You don't have to be specific. But in general, and you can tell me any other biographical information that you'd like to share

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1516****841: When you say biographical. You mean like how old am I

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Juilee Decker: People say it's so funny.

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Juilee Decker: People can take that as like in my case, I'm the youngest of nine children. So I usually bring that up and I usually bring up that I'm from the South, because I live in Rochester now so I'm a

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Juilee Decker: Rochester Institute of Technology. So that's my biographical bits. Some people say, you know, they've lived in LA. Long Island on Long Island forever. Some people don't say anything. They say, oh, I work at this place. It's wherever you want to say it's entirely up to you.

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1516****841: Well, I live in Nassau County. I was born in the Bronx and raised in the Bronx Manhattan Brooklyn, Queens Nassau and Suffolk County, so I know I've grown up in many of the neighborhoods that I visited when I go back to go to work.

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Juilee Decker: And before COVID, what would you say your average day was like for you.

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1516****841: Know average day for me.

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Juilee Decker: When

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1516****841: When and I emphasize that because when you are self employed and you do many different things to get through your day in in managing your affairs.

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1516****841: No day is identical. And even if you have a plan. You have to adjust for what served to you so you can get three a day because there are so many different aspects of

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1516****841: What is done. It's not a nine to five job. For instance, when schools will open since my specialty is providing programs and services for schools preschool elementary junior and senior high we sometimes plan 369 months in advance of what we're going to do on a particular date.

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1516****841: So this is a lot of this. A lot of in between time but you know you planning to take photographs of 500 to 1000 people and that requires a little bit of planning and all that goes with it in school environments.

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1516****841: Yeah, so if things were shut down. I would be in a school

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1516****841: Organizing arranging and helping to

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1516****841: Photograph whatever young individual comes before the camera. Gotcha. Okay.

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Juilee Decker: And then, what is your life like or what was is an average day like now for you. Would you say

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1516****841: Wow, I'm still

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1516****841: There's no average yeah and i and i have to say there's no average because when

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1516****841: When

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1516****841: We creative spirits move you in a particular direction. If there's nothing preventing you from, you know, getting up at two o'clock in the morning and waiting and working until six eight in the morning.

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1516****841: On something new. Just pass through you, then, then I do that because I don't have any set time with schedule, unless it's by appointment.

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1516****841: So, for argument's sake I made a photograph with an event or an activity and it might be one to 10 years ago, but I have

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1516****841: This raw image that I want to utilize and do something artistic and in rendering it a different way. So it has a different flavor to it. You have to view it in order to appreciate some of the different things that have done actually comes from dark room techniques that

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1516****841: Lab Technicians used to use in the 50s, 60s, 70s. It's similar to that only using the computer as a dark room as opposed to a room with chemistry in it.

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1516****841: Yeah.

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Juilee Decker: Yeah, that makes sense.

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1516****841: That makes complete

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Juilee Decker: So question three is what is your code story. Like, what have you been doing to occupy time or since you might have

different things that you're doing now because of code. So how have you been spending your time during COVID maybe differently than you normally would.

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1516****841: Well, what has been a once in a lifetime project is producing musical CD.

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1516****841: With live with live recordings of the men's chorus that I had an opportunity to sing with also but I say once in a lifetime because

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1516****841: I recorded the various 15 different selections I recorded the various selections myself and they will lie, and I did it with my own little piece of equipment.

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1516****841: And and then I packaged it we I did the layout artwork and design on the front and the back the liner notes and with the photographs and the whole package, the whole thing and this is the first project that I've done everything on

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Juilee Decker: Wow, was a part of

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1516****841: And I was part of the music also so so with the research that I had to do to find the songs because they have been recorded over the last few years. I also uncovered other elements and projects that I participated on like

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1516****841: A second project is putting together CD of duets where I sang with another person. Mm hmm. So that's something else that I'm working on. Wow.

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Juilee Decker: This. So, this musical CD, the one with the selections with the chorus. Does it have a Like was it completed. Did you release it, or is it out there. Yeah.

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1516****841: It. No, no, it's

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1516****841: I don't know, but it's almost like an underground bootleg CD.

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1516****841: And I use. I use that term because unless

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1516****841: Unless I know you or know of you and would invite you to have one or two CDs and and possibly give me a donation because it's not for sale. Yeah. Wow.

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1516****841: It's specifically not for sale, but I accept donations, so that I can continue

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1516****841: Have people in July and what it, what it has done that surpassed my expectations. Is it initially was a project put together for the men and men's chorus to give as a gift because we we generally have a Father's Day.

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1516****841: Program and singing and nosh and, you know, we, but we had to forgo that. So, in place of

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1516****841: The project came up to as a thank you. And a reminder, since we cannot be together is putting together this compilation of different live

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1516****841: Songs that we've done. So it's a nice package because

it's not just you know in a envelope.

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1516****841: Yeah, this thought works is front back inside. So it came out nice and what has really been pleasing is those individuals that have been gifted with a copy. How it has

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1516****841: uplifted them and given them hope in the time period when the unable to attend church services and in being a company of a lot of people. So that was. That's a good feeling to know that you know it was done with a with a good spirit and people are starting to enjoy it.

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Juilee Decker: Oh yeah, definitely. Oh, that's so

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Juilee Decker: That's a such a neat story. And what did. What did you call it. What is the name of it.

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Juilee Decker: Like how did you

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Juilee Decker: How did you come up with the title of

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1516****841: It. The title is it. Oh, it's real simple. The title is Father's Day.

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1516****841: Men's chorus live recording Volume one, oh so Volume one, so there could be a volume two

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1516****841: Yeah, I made it. I made an error in judgment. Somebody suggested that I work on a second one and

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1516****841: This is a once in a lifetime when Volume two comes out, it comes out.

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Juilee Decker: That's awesome.

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Juilee Decker: That's awesome.

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1516****841: But see, but see, this is you know 99% of the world has no clue as to what volume one is like

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Juilee Decker: Yeah yeah

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Juilee Decker: Yeah, that's true, but this is this is

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1516****841: This is something that

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1516****841: Will be around a long time after we're gone. But it's, it also, as I mentioned, is something that

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1516****841: Has people feeling good after they listen because there's something for everyone. One day yeah yeah I'm

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Juilee Decker: Question for is

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Juilee Decker: How has the pandemic affected the groups that you're a part of. So I think you touched on that a bit with your men's chorus. But in general, like, are there other groups that you're a part of that. It's affected, and if so, how has it affected that that group.

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1516****841: I'm involved in is the Long Island black artists Association.

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1516****841: And. NET. It's made up of, you know, couple of few dozen different artists from Brooklyn, Queens Nassau and Suffolk County. So we've been disrupted because we no longer able to meet and show one another work and

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1516****841: Those elements where we've had opportunities to

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1516****841: Exhibit our work collectively and as solos in various libraries and schools.

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1516****841: Throughout the metropolitan area. So that's been suspended. Yeah. Yeah. And it really is an element where we've had opportunities for sales at the exhibits and things have just been shut down. So everything is dry. Yeah.

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Joysetta Pearse: I'll interrupt for a second.

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Joysetta Pearse: In his humble attitude he didn't mention that. He's a former president of that organization.

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Juilee Decker: Oh my goodness.

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Juilee Decker: Oh my goodness. Yeah. So tell me, tell me a little, a little dab more when you said goodbye had a little mark next to that on my notes. I wanted to ask you. So when you say well I'm black artists group or association is it painters your photography is it photographers, is it

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1516****841: No, no, I'm one of one of the few I'm probably only one that's actually a professional photographer. Oh, we have put, for instance, is a variety. But everyone has a contribution as far as the art and and producing art, we have

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1516****841: From college in Manhattan. This retired. He he he was an odd instructor in high school and also in college and he's retired.

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1516****841: The current president is a retired educator, we have we have different people that have been art directors.

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1516****841: And have retired and then we have the younger people that are moving around loose with their work that are just learning the art of exhibiting

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1516****841: And preparing their work for galleries and museums, so it's you know it's a round robin group and we normally have gotten together so that we can compare notes.

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1516****841: Yeah, and and work on exhibits. Wow. Yeah.

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Juilee Decker: That's an important part that exhibit part is so important.

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Juilee Decker: Very showing your work and then for Kovac. Oh my gosh.

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Juilee Decker: So I'm at Rochester Institute of Technology in Rochester, New York, and I'm working on. I teach museum studies and history.

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Juilee Decker: And I bring it up because all of our gallery spaces were converted to classrooms for social distancing so like the drawing classes now in a gallery because they they're not showing any art and it's

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Juilee Decker: It's, it's really sad because not only are we missing out on bringing in artists, but it's also just not as fulfilling for the students because

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Juilee Decker: They don't have any thing to look at for inspiration. You know, they don't the gallery doesn't have artwork and it's where they go. Now for drawing class.

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Juilee Decker: And it's which is lovely. Right. But it's only because they have to stay away from one another and do the social distancing. So once we're allowed to have gallery exhibits again, which will be not in the spring, it'll probably be summer.

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Juilee Decker: We're really looking forward to that to bringing in work from artists, because we really missed that. It just, it's, it's a loss for us. So I hear what you're saying.

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Juilee Decker: And you're in

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Juilee Decker: Your maker Euro. Euro master.

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Juilee Decker: But from the point of view of people who enjoy it and receive it. Yeah, we understand that it's a loss for us to

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Juilee Decker: So other groups that you're a part of

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Juilee Decker: Any other groups.

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1516****841: That that's the main one because it takes a lot of time to sing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when I say a lot of time that's that's three days a week.

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1516****841: As far as singing is concerned and

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1516****841: Your life is around that activity that's the main thing. Yeah, it's done. But since the pandemic, since there's no schools.
There's no school work.

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Juilee Decker: Okay, number five. What word would you use to describe your feeling at the beginning of the pandemic and then now.

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1516****841: A word

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1516****841: A single word.

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Juilee Decker: A single word. I mean, we can talk about it afterwards. But like a single word for that and a single word from that for now.

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1516****841: In thinking about it. I would use the same word.

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1516****841: Okay. Sad, sad, sad, sad. Yeah.

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1516****841: Yeah.

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1516****841: Since you reduced it to a single word.

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Juilee Decker: We came up with to help with the question, so I'm going to put some blame on her to it wasn't just me.

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1516****841: Know, but with with it with that question, the two of you have a word for it before at the beginning and now

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1516****841: Mine was

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Juilee Decker: Mine was fear I was completely terrified. In the very beginning. And just because I didn't

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Juilee Decker: I had never lived through a pandemic and I tend to be a planner and I tend to like structure. I mean, I'm a teacher. So I like structure and organization and the idea of going into something and not knowing what it is freaked me out. Now I'm

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Juilee Decker: I'm my heart is just really, you know, heavy just because I work with students and you know at this moment on a Thursday night at whatever time it is six o'clock or whatever.

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Juilee Decker: I don't know where all of my students are normally you

know they're all on campus. We have very, very little.

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Juilee Decker: Remote learning. It's all on campus at any given day, I know where my students are like, you know, like they're in saying in Rochester in a dorm. I don't know exactly where they are like GPS coordinates.

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Juilee Decker: But now, because they're in between quarantine. One of them had to go home for a sick parent. One of them didn't come back to camp it like it's my heart is just really heavy because I don't feel like our community is a strong

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Juilee Decker: So that's the difference for me. I mean, I was terrified to be so I feel less terrified. But now it's just because we're in it. And I just have this like, Oh my goodness. Do I said what about you. What is your word for them and now

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Joysetta Pearse: What when I first heard it. Yeah, I was. I was afraid, only because

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Joysetta Pearse: I didn't live through the flu epidemic, but I know so much about it. I know so much about

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Joysetta Pearse: What was the woman who had that

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Joysetta Pearse: contagious disease. I did a big thing about Mary's whatever her name was

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Joysetta Pearse: When I was in school, it was

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Joysetta Pearse: That's how you know what anyway, like two words are, you know, maybe fear at the front and out of control, as we said one word. Okay.

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Juilee Decker: Anything else to add about your word. So Galvin, I

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Juilee Decker: The last question is, is there anything else that you would like to share about your COVID 19 story. So any other thing that you would like to share or touch on or or some things you've been thinking about and that's it's kind of like an open ended. Just open ended topic.

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Juilee Decker: And so don't go back Alvin, just to the thing about the word. So the interesting thing about picking that word.

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Joysetta Pearse: Oh my god it was another person coming, but I just had my husband pull him to let him know that we're speaking to somebody and soon. And did he want to come in. But he hasn't been to reach him. He didn't answer the phone.

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1516****841: And in many cases, for you know 2468 hours at a time. And there's very little conversation going on. You get to know one another. Just because you're in one another's presence.

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1516****841: And with that for a moment. You know, they spoke to one and others are. Go ahead. Do it.

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1516****841: That's it. Well, I don't like smiling. I didn't ask you this. I didn't know. I didn't, I didn't do that. I didn't go to

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1516****841: It was work, but it was well worth it because every time that joy said a looks she sees more

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Joysetta Pearse: Yeah, yeah. And looking at those

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1516****841: Now joy said it can do that better than anyone else because she knows their heart and soul in character. Yeah, so the more she looks. The more she sees the more she can appreciate. Yeah. Yeah. So I did that because I found out who their mother was I didn't do that for them.

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Juilee Decker: It has nothing to do with them. It's a picture of them.

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Juilee Decker: With them.

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1516****841: Yeah, as a as a school photographer parents want a picture of the child once a year, every to record the growth. Um, it's not it the child. Don't want to picture right the parent wants the picture that doesn't change just because you become 30 5070 years young

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Juilee Decker: I think that's such a beautiful way to end this. My goodness.

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Juilee Decker: Goodness. Thank you so much Galvin, for your time and

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Juilee Decker: connect us and

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Juilee Decker: We'll stay in touch and congratulations on getting your Album Done and, you know, I'll expect to be on the email list for volume two

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1516****841: All right.

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Juilee Decker: All right, my friend. Have a good night.

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1516****841: Thank you. Okay, to say to take you

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1516****841: So let's see you later. Thanks. Bye.

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Joysetta Pearse: Bye bye.