Kinza Hagerup Oral History 2020/05/27


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Kinza Hagerup Oral History 2020/05/27

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Nicolette Paglioni

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Kinza Hagerup

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NP: And we can jump right in. So today is what is today. May 27 2020 at a time where I am is 11:01 AM. I'm in Cartersville, Georgia. Kinza, where do you live?

KH: I'm in Indianapolis, Indiana.

NP: Okay. And can you- would you mind stating your full name for me? Just for the record?

KH: Kinza Hagerup.

NP: Okay, cool. And how do you spell that just so I can trans- when we go to transcribe it?

KH: Yeah it's K-I-N-Z-A.

NP: Okay.

KH: And then last name, H-A-G-E-R-U-P.

NP: Okay. Cool. Thank you. I know I have like a really difficult name to spell.

KH: Mhm.

NP: So, whenever I go anywhere, people are like, "pardon?" and I'm like, ugh come on. Okay, so what do you usually do on a day to day basis? Are you employed, unemployed? Are we hanging out, what hobbies? What are we doing?

KH: So, I actually have three jobs. So I work- my main one is I'm an accompanist at Clark Pleasant Middle School in Greenwood, Indiana.

NP: Okay.

KH: That's what I usually do. school starts at around 7:30. So from 7:30 to like three-ish pm and then I teach private piano lessons at a music academy in Fishers, Indiana.

NP: Wow.

KH: And so, I have a studio of about 15 to 20 students depending how things are going. So I teach that in the evenings usually Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays.

NP: Mhm.

KH: And then I also music direct at Smith Valley United Methodist Church, so.

NP: Wow.

KH: Yeah.

NP: That's so cool. I love- I've played piano since I was five so that's amazing to me.

KH: Oh, cool!

NP: Yeah, absolutely. I we had to get rid of our piano when we moved 'cause it was too like big and we didn't have any space for it.

KH: Mhm.

NP: And I was so sad.

KH: Ohh that's a bummer.

NP: I know. I know. But that's so awesome. So are you still- like have the number of students that you've been teaching gone down since the since the whole like...?

KH: Yeah, I've lost hm about...I've actually only lost three students.

NP: Oh wow!

KH: And one of those was- well, two of them are brothers and their dad had some I think job issues security with the whole thing was like, that's understandable.

NP: Right.

KH: But they're gonna try to come back.

NP: Right.

KH: And then I had another student who he just- he's young and just didn't like to practice so his mom was like, we should probably maybe this whole (___???) I was like that's fine! So [laughs].

NP: [laughs] Oh man, I remember those days I wouldn't- I like refused to prac- at some point like, I would hide my music theory books like we had the-

KH: [laughs]

NP: I would hide them around the house and at some point, he threw mine away. Like, I just threw- I was like, I cannot hear you.

KH: Oh my gosh.

NP: I was a horrible student. I don't know how my teacher put up with me. So I have so much respect for you right now. Okay, so, when you first learned about the crisis, what were like your first initial thoughts and worries, and what was it like when you first kinda heard about it?

KH: I mean, like... Like I knew it was especially like with like all the news from China and stuff and I was like, well, maybe there's a chance that it's gonna come to the US and then it was like, hey, it's here in the US and I'm like, well, maybe it's not gonna be that bad 'cause, you know, we have better health care and [cellphone beeps] you don't generally shop it open air market. So people- we don't have the overcrowding that usually happens.

NP: Right.

KH: So I mean, like, yes, we have cities, but still people are- and for a while- like before, everything got shut down, so like the beginning of March there were like rumors that things were gonna happen like with school and stuff, and like, my school, the week that we shut down, and basically everything after that shut down in Indiana too was the week before we were supposed to go on spring break.

NP: Right. Mhm.

KH: So, it was like okay, we're gonna have a week. We're gonna do like e- learning. Like, just temporarily, we'll have two weeks off for spring break, and then we're going to reevaluate and come back, and things will be fine. My lesson place had already warned us that we might have to go to virtual lessons. So, they're like, hey, just so you know what's gonna happen, like, make sure that you guys are setting up in Facetime or whatever you want to use to be able to do that. And my church job was like, also the same thing. Whereas like, we're not sure if we're going to be able to do in person. Like, people and services and stuff, like, just be prepared. We might have to do some online services. And I'm like, okay, cool. Like, we'll just see what happens because nobody really knows what was going on.

NP: Right.

KH: And then the little thing shut down, and I was like, cool, this is gonna be my life now.

NP: Right [laughs]? It's like a new normal.

KH: Yeah and peop- well, and it's like, at first it was like, okay, we're not going to go to school for all of April. We'll come back in May, most likely. So that was originally like, what the plan was for schooling. They're like, just kidding. We're going to be off for the whole entire- like the Indiana Department of Education was basically like no schools can be incessant- session they gave us a 20 day waiver so that our school year ended like two weeks early because of that anyway, which was kind of nice.

NP: Yeah.

KH: So, but it was just a weird, crazy, weird time.

NP: Yeah.

KH: Like all my lessons. I've been doing e-lessons for basically almost two and a half months now, which has been a weird, new normal but kinda cool at the same time. And then, for a church, we've been doing live streams of all of our services and whatnot. So which, to some extent, makes my job a lot easier 'cause I just have to play piano (___???).

NP: Right, yeah [laughs]. Yeah, so what- what are those classes like now 'cause I know I- my brother's girlfriend is also a teacher, and she's been really struggling to, like, make the transition to elearning. So what was that adjustment like and how is it like different now?

KH: Yeah, so it's weird also, 'cause like, so it's in middle school and so my choir director that I work with, she had you at the beginning, she's like, can you just record a bunch of different warm ups, count them off, send them to me so that kids can still be singing at home? But it's not like we can have them learn music, all their music was at school.

NP: Right.

KH: And it's especially at the middle school level, we can't just put together a virtual choir, like that's just not possible. It's middle schoolers and it's a weird time vocally for everybody.

NP: Oh yeah.

KH: So we're just not going to put them through that awkwardness and so a lot of what we did was- was music theory of like, hey, these are your like your note names blah, blah, blah working on can you count and clap these rhythms? We're required for our school to like do like some writing assignments. So let's research like what's your favorite song from a movie blah, blah blah like that type of thing. But it's- it's hard to not have that performance aspect of it since choir is so much not necessarily a book learning thing. It's choir is mostly based off of what your performance is like that's 90% of their grade basically is like can you learn your songs and show up to a concert and sing? But we didn't have that.

NP: Yeah, oh my gosh, I would be- I rem- I was also in choir in middle school and I would have been so heartbroken if we worked like all year all semester on- on songs then we couldn't perform them.

KH: Oh yeah. Well and we even had to- they canceled what was it- so our state like ISSMA [Indiana School Music Association] contest like Indiana school or whatever, for not just- we w'ere able to have solo ensemble that was early in the year but like for our choir portion of that for like our bigger groups and stuff, we- they canceled that so we didn't get to do that. So we were supposed to be working on our music for our concert which we have in the beginning of May.

NP: Mhm.

KH: Which is more like a pop fun music type thing, so.

NP: Aw, that's unfortunate.

KH: Yeah.

NP: Yeah. Imagine that adjustment would have been really difficult especially-, I mean, especially for a performance class.

KH: Oh, yeah, definitely. It's- it's way weird.

NP: Mhm. And then, oh, go ahead.

KH: Yeah. I don't know how like, I asked him like elementary school music teacher friends. And I'm like, what did you do [laughs]?

NP: Yeah [laughs].

KH: (___???)

NP: Right, oh, man. Yeah, cuz I feel like we always think about the core classes, I guess, in terms of the book, learn- you said, like book learning, but I hadn't even considered like all the extracurriculars.

KH: Yeah.

NP: All the-

KH: What do you do for gym? Or like, what do you do for a band or orchestra? Things like that.

NP: Oh, man, I know some- some schools were doing like, online like virtual bands and I was like, that is crazy. That would be so-

KH: (___???) It is so much work, though. I know that our band teachers like they had the kids playing and like they would just have the kids cuz like everybody has a Chromebook at our school, we're one to one. So it's like, hey, record yourself playing this stuff, send it to us, we'll grade it, like that type of thing.

NP: Mhm.

KH: So, but I feel like for especially like for choir, because your instrument is literally your voice and it's so much more personal and because most of those kids are not even comfortable singing on their own.

NP: Yeah.

KH: That's why they're in choir so that they sing with a bunch of other people, having them do that, solo would have been like, ehhh I don't know if that's gonna work out.

NP: Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. And then you said your- your services or livestream too 'cause I'm Catholic, and all of our masses have been livestream.

KH: Yeah.

NP: And it's been, like, kind of difficult. Have you found that kind of difficult like, for your faith community? And like...

KH: It's been an adjustment for sure. I think the main thing is that like, so the congregation that I play for is a lot of older people.

NP: Mhm.

KH: And so, if they're not Facebook literate, or like, not computer savvy, because like, we put it on Facebook, but then we also upload it to like our website and stuff. It's like how are they supposed to be able to get the message? So my pastor actually bought like an old school FM transmitter and hooked it up to like one of the mics. And so we've been for the past like three or four weeks we've been doing, like they can sit in their cars in the parking lot, like don't get out of your car, but if you want, you can listen to the service that way. So that if you don't have a Facebook and are not literate, then at least you can still listen so.

NP: That is so cool!

KH: Yeah.

NP: Wow, that is a really great way to get around that

KH: [laughs]

NP: 'Cause I'm also thinking about like we have the live stream and then you can see the little number of people who are watching.

KH: Yeah.

NP: And I always wonder like, because I'm the one in my household. I live with my parents. I'm the one who kind of is the techie person.

KH: [laughs] Yeah.

NP: 'Cause I'm, you know, the young one, I guess [laughs]. And so I've been putting it on our TV like screen sharing to the TV and doing all this stuff, but for the people who don't have that I think that's a great way to get around it.

KH: Oh, yeah, definitely.

NP: Super cool. Okay, so what issues I guess, have concerned you the most about the pandemic? I mean, as a teacher, I would imagine, like, education and students are one of the issues but also like, just in life and I don't know, like personal life situations.

KH: Yeah. I think that well at the beginning I was kind of worried about like, jobs.

NP: Mm hmm.

KH: Because like I'm not- like at my school I'm cons- I'm not considered a certified staff 'causeI don't have a teaching license. I'm just the accompanist.

NP: Mhm.

KH: So, like, I'm not like- yes, I do some teaching and I help out when I can. But I'm not like a teacher-teacher in that aspect as far as like teach piano lessons.

NP: Mhm. Exactly.

KH: But so like, at the beginning, I was like, am I gonna have a job? Are they going to like- like let us all go because we're not doing- we're not- we're just gonna sit around for like, a month and a half and not have anything to do and stuff. And like, luckily, I have an amazing school corporation that just put everybody on corporate leave, so that everybody is still getting paid regardless. So that was really, really nice. And then like for my church job, I guess one of the things was that like, if our church goes, we're still going to be tithing and like giving money to the church, because if they don't do that, then like, that's how I get paid, so. But luckily, that hasn't been an issue, especially because it's not like a lot of, I think, maybe like 20% people like give online but most of the other like people, the older ones, they just they just write a check and get put it in the offering plate on Sunday mornings. We didn't have that but a lot of them have been really good about mailing in their checks to the church still, so that's been really, really good. And then for lessons, I wasn't entirely sure how receptive my parents were gonna be to doing online because it's weird. It's not the same as me being there. Like, I understand that there's times when I'm like, I really wish I could literally just pick up your hand and move it 'cause you're not doing it right, but I can't.

NP: [laughs]

KH: So, I was, I was wondering if our parents were just going to be like, no, we're not gonna do this. But all my parents have been like, super, super cool about like, yes, let's do online lessons. And I've been trying to read up and like watch YouTube videos and stuff of like, how I can do a better job and like, what resources are available for me to be able to help my students to be able to still be learning and everything with all of this happening. And I- I guess the weird thing about all of this is that even though it's like not ideal, it's like I've had more kids that have been practicing and actually putting in the time because they have lessons going on everywhere else. So that's been kind of a nice thing.

NP: That's interesting. Yeah, I feel like they have more time to practice now.

KH: Yeah.

NP: So, they don't have nearly-

KH: They don't have all their sports and they don't have all the stuff that they're involved in.

NP: Yeah.

KH: And everything and they can't go anywhere because everybody has to stay home so [laughs].

NP: Right [laughs]? Oh, this makes me miss my piano, like so much just talking about it. Oh my gosh. When you said like, pick up your hand and move it, I had like a whole just flashback to my teacher doing that exact thing to me. So that's really sweet. Oh my gosh. But tell me about- can I ask you about your family and how this has been affecting your family and like day to day activity?

KH: Yeah, so I mean, I live by myself.

NP: Mhm.

KH: But like my parents live up in Wisconsin.

NP: Okay.

KH: And so, and they just, they're shut down with a lot longer than Indiana's. And they had that whole entire Supreme Court thing where like they basically like we're done doing this.

NP: Mhm.

KH: So now everything in Wisconsin is basically open.

NP: Mhm.

KH: But before like because I talked to my parents check up on them to see if they're doing okay and stuff and I especially for like, my dad is a very social person. He just likes to be around people. He likes to be able to like go out to dinner and stuff.

NP: Yeah.

KH: And my older sister and her kids live there and my other- my younger sister also lives near my parents also with, they just had their first child and stuff.

NP: (___???)

KH: So, I think for my parents, at least from what my mom told me the hardest thing for my dad was not being able to go out to dinner [laughs].

NP: [laughs] Aw.

KH: And like, he's like, okay with like getting takeout. But he's like, it's just never as good as like actually being at the restaurant. And I was like, I get that dad. So, and they're really, really active in their church. So, it was kind of it for them it was really hard to not be able to meet in person and do online services. Though did like the way that their church was doing the online services and whatnot, and they appreciate that but yeah.

NP: Mhm. It's just not- it's like you're describing my parents 'cause my parents love to go out to eat and love to have people over.

KH: Yeah.

NP: And they- my mom even was like; I just miss having people in the house. Like we always have somebody coming over. And now it's just been like really quiet. And especially with the- they're- they're the kind of people who like talk after church for like an hour.

KH: Yeah! Yeah, that's my parents too, yep [laughs].

NP: They- yeah [laughs]! And they couldn't do that. They just went to- I think we just opened up for public masses on Monday and you had to have- you had to have like six feet like very strict.

KH: Yeah.

NP: And it was outside and so it was really good. But they spent- they were there for like three hours and mass is only ever one hour. And I was like what were you doing that whole time [laughs]? They were like, we saw people.

KH: Oh (___???)

NP: It was really cute so absolutely. What have you- what have you been doing for like recreation during COVID-19? Like I know a lot of people have been picking up hobbies and stuff and like learning maybe?

KH: I guess- so I love to cook. So, the nice thing about this quarantine is that I haven't been working like 50 to 60 hours a week.

NP: Right.

KH: With all my jobs and stuff so I'm like, hey, I can actually cook recipes that I've been like stacking up and like one day I'm gonna do this.

NP: [laughs]

KH: So, I've been doing a lot of cooking and I've been doing a lot of bake- I've been doing that bread thing like everybody's been making bread out of that.

NP: That's yeah.

KH: So, and just figuring out- I've been- I've been using now that it's gotten like warmer finally here the past month I've been using my grill and I've been grilling and watching a lot of Netflix. I've been running and walking. I have a really good friend who she has an Alaskan Malamute. Who does is super just needs to be like taken out all the time and like I dog sit for her all the time? And she has two other dogs too. So she's like, hey, if you ever want to come over and take my dog out for a run or a walk, be my guest and tire her out [alughs] cause- and I was like, I will do that 'cause now I actually have time to exercise.

NP: [laughs]

KH: And then I've also just been able to like actually play piano for enjoyment because it's not- I mean like I went to like undergrad and grad school, for like all for piano and stuff so like a lot of my life up until this point has been like everything I do for piano has been like for this lesson or for this assignment or I have to learn these pieces for blah blah blah or I'm accompanying for this person. And now it's like, oh, I don't have that I get to actually play for myself. So I've been picking up some pieces I've played that I'm like, just getting them back under my fingers and stuff.

NP: Mhm.

KH: So, I was planning on doing a re- some recitals later this year with some friends that I went to school with. But obviously that's not probably going to happen for a while [laughs] now.

NP: [laughs] Yeah.

KH: So even though like I'm still like learning about music and figuring that stuff out, it's not as important, so.

NP: That's awesome. I have so many questions. What are you cooking? What kind of bread are you baking? What are you watching on Netflix? Do you watch Daniel Thrasher on YouTube because he has the funniest sketches about piano.

KH: No.

NP: Oh my gosh, you would love it. It's Daniel Thrasher. Thrasher like the bird.

KH: Okay.

NP: R-A-S-H-E-R and he is so funny. I- I did not go to school for piano. I barely know the names of chords, but I can relate to like every single thing. That's so funny to me.

KH: I'll have to look him up. That's hilarious.

NP: Absolutely. And he does like, on almost all of his videos, he does like discounts for different piano learning software, so.

KH: Oh cool.

NP: I know. No, but what are you actually cooking and like what kind of bread do you bake because I know a lot of people (___???)

KH: I've made- okay, so I've done cinnamon rolls. I made babka. I have a sourdough starter that a friend gave me so making sourdough bread.

NP: Mhm.

KH: I made pretzels with my boyfriend and we made like a beer cheese sauce to go like to go with it. What else have I been making? I've been cooking a lot of- oh, I tried making like those molten lava cakes, 'cause I have like little ramekins that I use for creme brulee normally.

NP: (___???)

KH: And that was a fail so I gotta figure that one out because-

NP: [laughs]

KH: It's not- like it tasted good but it just wasn't it was at 100 times out there and I'm like, I can do this better. So, I've been actually been able to like eat breakfast so I've been like making like omelets and doing like egges over easy and like doing chorizo and other fun things like that. I made mac and cheese 'cause I found this thing that's called sodium citrate. That it's kind of like a gastro- gastronan- gastronomy thing. But like, if you add it to like sodi- you like water and add in like the sodium citrate you actually- it actually makes whatever cheese you put in, it makes the cheese sauce, whatever you it makes it always smooth. Like there's no like weird curling or like none of that weird texture stuff is just always perfect.

NP: Wow.

KH: And so my brother-in-law who works in a restaurant he's when he told me about it I was like I'm getting some Amazon's got this oh we're gonna do this best thing ever I was like this is like the best thing I bought all quarantine seriously.

NP: [laughs]

KH: So, I've been doing- so, I've been like experimenting with that 'cause he also told me that I should try making like mac and cheese buns which I still have to do that still so I'll probably project especially cuz like now that it's summer grilling and stuff, that'll be fun.

NP: Yeah.

KH: I've been doing- I don't know, I just like to experiment with like- because grocery stores have also been like super like do they actually have what I need, it's been a little bit more interesting in that aspect. But I've been trying to go out of my way to try to find those ingredients and to be able to just come up with like also my own dishes 'cause part of me, I would really like to be able to come up with a cookbook someday.

NP: Yeah.

KH: Because of how much I cook. I've been drinking a lot of coffee. I have an espresso machine so I've been experimenting making like lattes and macchiatos and all that fun stuff.

NP: Oh my gosh.

KH: So, yeah [laughs].

NP: The whole package. That's amazing.

KH: Yeah.

NP: I like really can't cook I-

KH: [laughs]

NP: I can follow a recipe but like halfway through, I'll be like, you can't tell me what to do.

KH: [laughs]

NP: And I'll go rogue [laughs] and it'll just fall apart. So that's so fascinating to me. What have you been watching on Netflix? Because I need some recommendations, but also (___???).

KH: Oh my gosh, I think I- I honestly at this point, I've been kind of like, okay, so I finished watching Ozarks 'cause like season three came out.

NP: Mhm. I've heard that's (___???).

KH: For some reason I decided to like rewatch all of That 70's Show. So I did that and that was kind of fun and nostalgic.

NP: Yeah.

KH: And then I'm trying to think what else they've come up with some actually like decent movies over this break.

NP: Mhm.

KH: And so I've been watching a lot of the movies that they've been putting out some of the comedy specials that they've also had. I'm trying to be like what shows though. Oh what about-, oh, I just finished watching Medici which is all about like the Medici empire.

NP: Oh yeah.

KH: And I love that type of stuff. So that was really, really fun. Because I've been following that one, I need to finish- there's something that I need to start The Last Kingdom they just came out with their season four and I haven't started that yet. So I need to do that.

NP: I love that show so-

KH: Really?

NP: I do. Yes, absolutely. But what's funny is like I used to have long- like my hair, like down here now but I used to have it like really long and it's really (___???).

KH: Yeah.

NP: And I used to wear it like the main character does like in that half bun.

KH: Wait seriously?

NP: Yes! And so, when [laughs]- when I saw him, I was like, he could literally be my brother like he just looks so much like me.

KH: [laughs] Oh my gosh.

NP: And I for a while I was like this is a little weird, and then I cut my hair.

KH: That's so cool.

NP: I'm gonna go back to it 'casue I like it so much [lauighs].

KH: [laughs]

NP: I looked like a Viking prince. I was like, I can't [laughs]. It's cute.

KH: [laughs] Oh that's hilarious.

NP: I'm gonna have to look at Medici because I- like we have this theory- we'd like traced our ancestry- I'm half Italian.

KH: Okay.

NP: Traced it back to like a branch of the Medici like family.

KH: Oh my gosh.

NP: (___???)

KH: It's so like, I love how much the Medici's were so involved with the arts and that resonates with me so much. And the fact that you- you get to see him meet like Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci and like like it's like holy crap! Like was it. I mean these guys(??), like all like the murder and plotting revenge and all that horrible stuff that they did anyway, but it's like, that's cool!

NP: We don't talk about that stuff. We (___???)

KH: No, I mean it's fine, it's fine.

NP: I've also been watching The Big Flower Fight. It's like a competitive flower sculpting.

KH: Oh, I saw that.

NP: It's so good, isn't it?

KH: Oh, I have- I think I watched like I haven't- I think I've only watched like one episode of that one. But like I would when I saw it I was like, that's interesting. Totally fascinating. I used to be obsessed with watching the Great British Baking Show. Cuz I just love all their accents and it just warms my heart so much.

NP: Yes!

KH: I really hope that they come out with new seasons for that because...

NP: I know. I've been like checking every day and they're always they always disappoint me.

KH: Yeah.

NP: The Big Flower Fight sort of fills that void.

KH: Okay, I'll have to definitely start to watch that. And then I've been- so I have Hulu also. So I- I watched Brooklyn nine, nine latest finished up their last season.

NP: Don't tell me I haven't watched it yet.

KH: And then I also started watching Zoe's Extraordinary Playlist.

NP: Really, how is that because I keep getting that recommended.

KH: It's so adorable. And I don't usually like shows like that. But it's it like it almost made me cry like several times. Like that's just how cute it is. And because like it's literally all about how like she- so she like went in for an MRI and something happened where the machine like malfunctioned and now she hears everybody like singing what she calls her like heart songs. So the whole entire thing is people like singing at her mainly like all these like super awesome songs and it's just it's so good I'm like this is real life was like this 'cause this is awesome.

NP: [laughs]

KH: And I just finished the first season of that they only have one so far and this- I'm assuming I'm hoping that it was received really well and they're gonna come out with more because I'm like, this is the

NP: Mhm.

KH: I love this so much.

NP: I imagine.

KH: And then I also have Amazon Prime. So I've been watching- I've been rewatching House and then I watched have you heard of the show Hunters?

NP: No.

KH: It's about like a group of random people that are hunting Nazis that are still living in America in like the 50s or 60s.

NP: Yep that's (___???)

KH: Okay, it's- it's slightly terrifying, but it's also- 'cause I watched it. I'm like, are there Nazis living in America? This is totally based on like, not true facts. But like, it's also like, holy crap. And it's- it's so awesome though. It's so cool.

NP: Oh man, I feel like there would have been Nazis living in America in the 50s for sure. I feel like 100%.

KH: Well yeah, and I know that, like, they hunted a bunch of them down and stuff but it's kind of like, these ones slipped through the cracks because America brought them in to be like, scientists and all these other things. And so they basc- and I was like, did this really happen? Would America did that I mean, it's America, but I'm like-

NP: No, yeah, that happened.


NP: 'Cause they- they- I was talking to a friend and she was like, you know, we know- Nazis are always bad. Nazis are always bad but they were really good scientists [laughs]. And they were- and we were like, oh, how do you like- yeah, it- that sounds really cool. I know, oh, what's the show Man in the High Castle. Have you seen that?

KH:Yeah. I haven't yet. I need- that's on my list of things to watch.

NP: You've gotta stick with it, I think 'cause it's about like if the Nazis won the war/

KH: Yeah.

NP: And if like, Germany split the US and I think it's really, really interesting especially for it because I'm this history- historian history nerd. So it's like, just eat that up. What was I thinking? I had something else Nazi hunting. I can't remember. I can't remember what I was thinking.

KH: That's okay.

NP: Nevermind. Okay, I have to get back to the, like, real questions.

KH: [laughs]

NP: I have done two other oral history interviews, and I did not ask any of the questions that I had, that they gave us 'cause I was like, these are eh. So we're gonna, let's see. So how have like people around you that you've seen been responding to the pandemic. I know my friends have kind of gone through like a ups and downs and twists and turns.

KH: I think for the most part, I mean, okay, so, I am more of an introvert. So for me, I was like, I could stay home? I am so happy. I don't have to talk to people. This is the greatest thing in my life.

NP: Nice.

KH: Like, the best excuse for me to just not do- this is awesome.

NP: Yeah.

KH: So, for me, it's not so bad.

NP: Mhm.

KH: I think the one I think the one time I realize like, holy crap this is actually happening is when I went to the grocery store, because I love grocery shopping. It's like a stress relief. I love being able to pick my own food, bla bla bla, and I went- and I want to start and I was like, everything's like gone. And I was like, what is going on here? I was like, This is not enjoyable for me, 'cause now I'm just finding food to survive not actually for my own pleasure of being able to make cool food. I was like, This is horrible. And so that's, and I think the, my other thing is that just like the- I guess the normalcy of just being able to- even though I don't like talking to people being able to be out and about and have people around me like going to a coffee shop and getting coffee and doing work or something like that. Like just little things like that. So or just being able to have the option of like, hey, we're going to go out to dinner or we're gonna get together with some friends and go to like a park or something like things like that. Which I guess now we technically can do so that's kind of cool. But I know that for like, the majority of my more extroverted friends, this has been a really, really hard time because [phone beeps] unless they're like living with somebody else on- like I live by myself, I choose to do that because, yes. But it's like, unless you're living with somebody else, like who are they gonna talk to you who they're gonna hang out with? And I've been trying to because I know for like for my mental health and stuff, closing myself off that much is not necessarily the greatest thing. So being like, hey, let's get together for zoom calls, or let's do like Facebook Messenger chat. And like we've been doing game nights 'cause some of my friends have like Jackbox games. And so we've been able to like, do those and like play games together and have game nights and just out and talk. And it's actually weird because now that I have more time I'm talking to people I normally [laughs] don't talk to because I'm just so busy.

NP: [laughs]

KH: And they're so busy. Because like all my friends are musicians. So we're like on the same boat and now we're like, oh we don't have anything so.

NP: [laughs]

KH: So, which is it's been really, really nice and I've gotten to like really reconnect with some friends. I just haven't talked to you in like, a really long time unless I've been able to go see them, which I can't that's even an option right now. So it's like, huh, that's kinda cool. Yeah, this is fun.

NP: Interesting how that happens, like-

KH: Yeah.

NP: The less we are able to do, the more we wanna do it, and the more we're like willing to.

KH: Yeah.

NP: For sure. I'm definitely an introvert so people have been asking me how my quarantines going and I'm like, amazing [laughs]. I was like, it's so good. I love it so much.

KH: [laughs] I mean it's just so great- I'm like saving so much money on gas.

NP: I know.

KH: I get be home with all my things like.

NP: Yes [laughs] I don't have to I feel bad when I flake on plans 'cause no one's making any.

KH: Yeah, cuz there are no plans [laughs]!

NP: Yay! It's been- I feel bad about how much fun I've been having. And I know it's a good point to like, for my mental health as well like, isolating that much can be like kind of, a little too much, so.

KH: Yeah.

NP: Jackbox is a good idea 'cause I have some of those games I didn't even think about, like how you could play with other people like (___???).

KH: Oh yeah. Sure like I don't have them but my- so like I'm in a- my church well not even actually my church, but it's a it's some of the two of the other girls that live in this building go to a church where they have a small group of like other girls that are like my age. And so our small group has still been meeting for like our small group nights, but then occasionally during the week, we'll be like, hey, let's like watch a movie together and we'll let's get hop on a Zoom call. And like, well, one of us will share our screens or like, let's do a game night and then we can all just still be hanging out and talking and stuff but playing games, so.

NP: That's awesome.

KH: Yeah.

NP: That's so cool. Let's see. Have you or like anybody, you know, actually gotten sick with the virus?

KH: No.

NP: Yeah, me neither.

KH: Which it's, it's for me. It's like- I've seen things on Facebook of other people that I- I know that like they've had either family members or other friends of theirs and I'm like, I don't know any of these people.

NP: Right? Like, I know, like, I know a lot of people who say like, oh, I had something in February or January-

KH: Yeah.

NP: That felt like the virus, but it wasn't the flu. And I was like, maybe that counts. But for the most part, nobody that I've even nobody that I've like talked to has known anyone yet. So that's interesting. So how do you think the virus- since we were talking about mental health just a second ago, how do you think the virus has been affecting people's like mental health?

KH: I think for some people, it's been very isolating and if they are not able to like go see a therapist or like do like the tela-therapy, sessions and stuff, I'm like I can see how that might be problematic. I- like everybody's different everybody copes with it in different ways. So I guess however your coping mechanism is, whether that's a good thing or a or a bad thing you just never know. So I think it's been very trying for a lot of people and maybe some people that normally wouldn't think like, hey, maybe I might have like a mental health issue I should talk to somebody now that are in sudden maybe like, maybe I definitely do because a lot of it's been you have to be a lot alone a lot more with your thoughts I feel like.

NP: Yeah, yeah. And you kind of have to come to terms with your own limitations in terms of like living on- if you're living on your own.

KH: Yeah.

NP: Or if you're- cuz that's- that was my thing when I- I'm in grad school right now living with my- with- with my parents while I finish up my degree, and when I was living on my own, it was a lot like, oh, I have to like do everything.

KH: Mhm.

NP: And so for somebody with mental illness, like me, doing- like trying to figure out how to do everything, and still stay sane [laughs], can be difficult balance and now you're at home all the time and you have to do everything all the time. And it's so I can imagine that would be like really difficult, especially for artsy people. I feel like artsy people especially [phone chimes].

KH: Oh, yeah, definitely.

NP: Mm hmm.

KH: But I know also, like a lot of my friends, like, see therapists and stuff. And they've still been able to do their therapy sessions, like over the telehealth stuff, which has been really, really helpful for them and stuff. But yeah, I think- and like I see a therapist like every two weeks and stuff and so like, the thing that like I've talked about is that like, I feel like because nobody knows what is going on, like literally nobody knows what's gonna happen.

NP: Mhm.

KH: And that slightly kills me inside. 'Cause I'm like, why don't you know? You need to know. We need to have plans. Like, why are there no plans?

NP: Yeah.

KH: I think of like, I can't really plan anything because I don't know what's gonna happen in the future. It's like before I was like, oh, I'm gonna be doing this stuff because this is what normally happens and now it's like I don't know what's gonna happen.

NP: No for sure. That- I feel like I was talking to somebody else and they were talking about like a failure of leadership in that regard. Like, even the leaders don't know what's gonna happen or what's going on.

KH: Yeah.

NP: So how do you think like, Indiana leadership, but also like, national leadership as a whole have been responding to the crisis?

KH: I think Indiana's actually been doing pretty- pretty good. Like we had like our state shutdown where everything was shut down. And then basically once our stay-at-home order got lifted, they left it more up to the counties. So I live in Johnson County in Greenwood so that- so when our stay-at-home order got lifted, we had a little bit more freedom whereas in Marion County, which is where Indianapolis actually is, and like all the surrounding cities that are in there, they actually extended their's two more weeks. But that's because like it's a city, people are living closer together and stuff. And then the area that I actually teach in which is up in Fishers, they organize their own like safety like health safety department. Which I thought was super, super cool and basically came up with like, their whole- like their own plan of like, what they're gonna do to be able to help that county which I was like, that's actually not a bad idea, but like more counters I feel like should be doing that. Like I don't think it's possible for- especially like for rural era areas might not be as necessary, but I was like, that's actually a really, really smart idea to go ahead and do that. So, so it's so like now in Indiana, it's like we have like you can go to get your hair cut like I went to the dentist this morning. Like a lot of safety measures that are in place, yes. But, and now we have you can go to a restaurant in dining only 40% capacity but then also, a lot of resturants have opened a lot more outdoor seating, which has been really, really nice. So which I haven't really gone to anywhere yet because I'm still like, not about to do that quite yet.

NP: Yeah, yeah.

KH: And I know like my lesson place that I teach the Academy where I teach at, they are going to be opening if people want to do in person lessons starting June 1, but they've also left it up to us, the teachers as to whether or not we're going to open based off of what our parents want. So I've been like contacting my parents been like, hey, if I opened up like, which I'm probably not gonna open up until maybe like later in June anyway, I'm like, would you want to do in person lessons? Or would you rather continue doing online lessons so that I can figure out if I'm gonna be maybe one day I'll come in and then the other days, I'll just stay at home and do my virtual lessons or how, how is that going to look and stuff? Because I know that some parents have you back up and been like, were like, yes. Like we would like to do in person lessons. I feel like my son or daughter would do better. But then I've also had a parent who is she's like, I work in the ICU. So, we're gonna keep doing and I was like, God bless you. And yes, yes, that is very good.

NP: That's awesome.

KH: So, it's just, and I mean, like, I guess, nationally, I mean, I think Trump's an idiot. So like, I don't even think that he knows what he's talking about. But at the same time, literally, nobody knows what's gonna happen. So the fact that yes, he's spouting stuff, and it doesn't make sense, okay.

NP: [laughs]

KH: But nobody else really knows what's gonna happen anyway. It is what it is at this point. I mean, like Right, I could take it day by day, week by week, there's nothing else unless there's literally somebody that knows what the future is gonna hold. I'd love to talk to that person but.

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